Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 29, 2022 20:48:14 GMT
In the interim it needs some work to make it usable - Powered by a 2.2 litre 4 pot BMC engine
With armchair seating
Fuel pump is disconnected / poorly wired - The electric pump is not original either - the cars original pump is mechanical
Looks reasonably solid on the underside with exception of the front outrigger areas and a ultimate exhaust silencer bodge utilising a 5 litre can, copious amounts of exhaust paste and tied up with some scrap lengths of copper wire
Heater box has been blanked off and the remnants of the plumbing thrown into the boot - I'll assume that the heater radiator is goosed then - Before proceeding further I dropped the float chamber off the carb and filled it with fresh fuel - cleaned & checked the points - connected the battery and swung the engine over - which started virtually immediately - good oil pressure - ran smooth with no knocks / rattles / smoke - Ok better see what it needs to make it roadworthy then
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 30, 2022 7:59:18 GMT
Encouraged by a nice running engine I did a leak test on the fuel system - I didn't get very far
That filler pipe appears to have seen better days - its next to impossible to access the tank connection without dropping the tank down off the chassis
And the exhaust also needs to be removed to allow the tank to exit but I'll remove the complete system - its a lot easier than attempting to separate the system whilst its under the car
Needs entering in the 'Found - Ultimate Car Bodges' A book I've been putting together over the last 40 years
Tank removed - Its a big heavy old thing
And its full of crap
It would asking for nothing but trouble to just refit it and fill it full of fuel - I'll have to tank kit it - Use a chemical kit to descale the rust & debris within the internal faces of the tank and once clean apply tank sealer to it
Post by grumpynorthener on May 1, 2022 21:50:09 GMT
Exhaust systems for the car went out of production decades ago - no one had any new old stock either - The owners club have sold what stock they had to a dealer and said dealer advises that there is no demand for them hence doesn't keep or stock them - that gives you the choice of trailering the car to a bespoke exhaust specialist who could make one up for the car but only in stainless steel and somewhere in the region of £700 - £900 + vat or do a bit of homework and locate a suitable silencer that could be made to fit - because the rest of the system still has some decent life left in it
Cue - One Leyland Sherpa new old stock centre section procured for £50
Some measuring / cutting and a little welding later
Nice to see a new project in there. As much as we enjoy the Jowett stuff, a change is always interesting as well!
Alex - More than anything its nice to pass on the ideas / tips - ways of doing things to others - I'm aware that we all get stuck from time to time which can be frustrating - If its just someone recalling a idea / viewing how something was done that in turn then enables them to complete a task on their own car - Then the effort in me posting the thread is very much worthwhile regardless of vehicle make / model
Post by grumpynorthener on May 3, 2022 9:22:42 GMT
Fuel pump was mounted and plumbed into the new hard line from the tank - Filter added & the pump rewired back to the ignition circuit
Bottom of the float chamber was leaking when I manually filled it with petrol - the blanking plugs for the jets had been got at previously with grips and the edges of the plugs torn along with the gaskets - I cleaned the plugs up and replaced the gaskets - unsure if this resolves the leak but wont know until I get the tank refilled and I test the system
Meanwhile the handbrake pawl wouldn't engage with the ratchet - I had to remove it the complete mechanism but the propshaft also had to be removed to allow access
My first thoughts were that the tooth / end of the pawl had broken off but upon close inspection its just the mechanism that had seized through rust ingress
Stripped / freed off / cleaned / lubricated / reassembled - ready for refitting
Post by grumpynorthener on May 4, 2022 8:04:05 GMT
The car is on a separate substantial chassis of cruciform design that was utilised on earlier Austin models of the 1930's - the body which is a fair bit wider than the chassis is of all steel construction - the main horizontal base of the cars body is based upon a box section type sill fastened to the chassis either side with 3 bolt on outriggers - The nearside front area of the sill had suffered from rust ingress which was not that apparent at first
It was only when I was clipping up the new petrol pipe to the chassis that this plate literally fell off the inner sill - glued up in place by the previous owner with a few dabs of underseal
The outriggers are bolted to the chassis / box section sill and also support the running board
With the outrigger removed to allow access I was left with this mess - this is directly underneath the A post - the main culprit for the rust ingress is that the car has a large steel sliding sunroof with a drain tube fitted to each corner of the frame - the ends of the rubber tubes degrade over time and become shortened which in turn drain water directly into the sill box section at this point consequently leading to rust ingress
Some remedial works required then (Shortened sunroof drain tube can be seen within the rust perforated inner sill)
Inner sill repair panel in the making
Terminus of the inner sill with the front inner wing repair
Underside / base of the box section repaired - note the sunroof drain tube - now extended
Inner sill repair welded in
Front inner wing / sill terminus repaired
Repaired areas primed & seam sealed
Outrigger bolted back into place - the repaired areas will be treated with Dinitrol 4941 underbody wax
My Late step father had one of these in the 50's. My memory is his had a built in jacking system? It may have been an add on.
It was a comfortable old thing and for it's time relatively speedy. It replaced a 1937 Austin ten so it may just have seemed faster.
He part exchanged it for a 1956 Vauxhall Wyvern. The Vauxhall seemed much less solidly built than the Austin. I was courting at the time and the bench seat was an attractive feature.
Post by grumpynorthener on May 5, 2022 6:31:14 GMT
Brakes were binding unsurprising for something that's been sat around for sometime
Everything is on a rod system so no hydraulics to worry about
They have gone unmaintained for years - rear drums had a light coating of oil from the rear hub seals - seals look ok its just lack of maintenance
Some of the cylinders & adjusters were seized which resulted in them being stripped down & cleaned up - reassembled then lubricated but nothing more than that
Bigger problem is that the rear shoes have bonded linings - one of which has made a bid for freedom - certain parts for this model are scarce and a search for a set of rear shoes have so far resulted to a nil effect - At worse I will have to send them to a friction lining specialist to be relined
Fronts are slightly different configuration to the rears - again seized in places
The brake rods run in a close parallel with the front axle - someone previous had jacked the front offside of the car up with the jack fouling on the brake rod and bending it - In turn this shortened the length of the rod and thereby was applying the brakes at all times on this corner
A simple straightening up of the brake rod and refitting it resolved the issue
A previous owners utterly useless attempt at a home made dust boot for the rear of the front brake cylinders
A section of hose retained by a hose clip on to the rear of the cylinder - spot the obvious failing ? - Yep its open ended so it still allows dust / debris ingress - absolutely pointless !
The dust boots that I use on the vintage Jowetts & Bradford vans are a close match and resolved the problem - right then off back to locating a pair of rear brake shoes
I have never driven a car with rod brakes and don't know that fancy that. Might be ok on a small light car but on something heavy? I realise that they are obviously adequate but?
As an aside, years ago ( mid 1970's) we used to reline the rear shoes on all the Peugeot's. After knocking the old lining off the new ones were rivetted on. Secure an appropriately sized punch in the vice, place the lining on the shoe and push the rivets through and with the rivet head resting on the punch knock the other side over with a small ball pein hammer. Happy days.
I have never driven a car with rod brakes and don't know that fancy that. Might be ok on a small light car but on something heavy? I realise that they are obviously adequate but?
As an aside, years ago ( mid 1970's) we used to reline the rear shoes on all the Peugeot's. After knocking the old lining off the new ones were rivetted on. Secure an appropriately sized punch in the vice, place the lining on the shoe and push the rivets through and with the rivet head resting on the punch knock the other side over with a small ball pein hammer. Happy days.
Ray - They do the job providing the brakes are set up correctly - Pretty simple to do but wear in the rod linkages / compensators etc can play havoc - the internal diameter of the drums is larger than most that you would find on any modern vehicle at 11"
Most of the engineering on cars like this are a crossover from over engineered pre war vehicles and to a great degree most of the chassis & drivetrain would readily stand up to the battering of a light commercial - come to think of it they did exactly that - Much of the chassis & drivetrain plus the frontal / nose body panels with some revisions went on to be utilised in the FX3 Taxi
Post by grumpynorthener on May 6, 2022 8:17:58 GMT
Offside front outrigger removed
Hmmm
Ah - A new entry in the book of bodging 'The lesser spotted stainless steel pan scourer' - Pretty sure that adds a load of strength in a structural bearing area of the car
Running board which is merely cosmetic needs to come off
Further revealing
Worse than the nearside but similar rust ingress as a direct cause of the sunroof drain tube issues
The bodgery is all very recent from the previous owner
Inner sill repair sections in the making
Inner sill repairs tacked in and the base of the box section sill being trail fitted & scribed in
The outer sill is a swept radius in profile therefore better undertaken insitu with sections rather than has a one piece repair
First section completed has separate top & side repairs - welded together then dressed back
I'm keen to only undertake what's absolutely necessary and keep repairs to a minimum but its difficult when the bodges keep running on - All of this area was just plastered over with filler - The sill provides the immediate horizontal support / load bearing to the A, B & D posts
The base plate that returns the outer sill is also dead through this section
Unfortunately there's more grot behind the thin disguise
More evidence of the pan scourer bodge looms
The face / top of the outer sill require work but the base plate is largely intact and will be ok with minor repairs
The far from ideal repair
Inner sill flange edge repairs welded into the centre section
Base plate & outer sill welded in
Then dressed back
Final section completed
Dressed back
Not perfection but good & strong
Better fuel economy achieved with this lot removed
I can only count my blessings that the stars & moons aligned such that she came home with you! I'm hoping the bodger predated the PO's auction purchase as he seemed a straight guy on the phone, but I guess we'll never know
In any event, thank you - and at least when we get to us all meeting up for a BBQ we won't be short of pan scouring materials! 🤓
I can only count my blessings that the stars & moons aligned such that she came home with you! I'm hoping the bodger predated the PO's auction purchase as he seemed a straight guy on the phone, but I guess we'll never know
In any event, thank you - and at least when we get to us all meeting up for a BBQ we won't be short of pan scouring materials! 🤓
Straight guy on the phone turned bodger in reality - These are all fresh repairs within the last year or so hence it happened on his watch - Should have known when he shuck my hand and I spotted the filler under his fingernails