Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 9, 2022 8:35:20 GMT
Collected Monday and now back with me at the workshop
Very rare car - was last on the road in 1964
It's fitted with Jowetts first 4 cylinder production engine - flat 4 boxer
The car was donated to the museum several years ago but has largely been kept in storage
The main structure is pretty solid but that car has obviously seen a life
Besides the current non running status the body is quite tatty in places
To the point that the nearside rear wing has departed company with the body
But I have retained what remains of it
Plans then
Rather than a full restoration a recommission of the drivetrain along with a tidy / making good in selected areas of the body in order to return the car to usable roadworthy but oily rag condition - The museum then plans to use the car for local visits to shows / events / schools etc - not everything will be completed in this tranche of works but a good start will be made - I'll concentrate in sorting the nearside rear of the body first - the club will advance the works on the drivetrain with a target of getting the engine running but in a limited timeframe and under the gaze of the general public at the forthcoming NEC Restoration Show - meanwhile I have a load of preparation works on the car prior to the show - better get the trailer unloaded then
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 10, 2022 23:00:17 GMT
Now in the workshop
I'd be stuck without the workshop winch system
And the initial preparation work to ready the car for the NEC Restoration Show along with some ongoing works are underway
Rear seat removed
And how easy is this for underfloor access
Just remove the seat base
And the access tray is on hinges
Interior trim to the nearside rear removed & labelled
I need to check what braking system it had fitted - they used 2 manufactures - this one is a 'Bendix' system
Measurements taken to ensure the correct brake shoes are ordered
I refitted the drum for now - plan is to rebuild the brakes at the show - amongst many other things
Exhaust from the silencer back is interesting looks like its copper tube
I now have to remove what's left of the inner wheelarch - its quite fragile due to being riddled with rust
Its held in place with tacks to the timber frame of the car - construction of the cars shell is part timber / part steel
There's more to sort than expected
The body mountings that fasten the rear timber subframe of the car to the chassis are adrift on both sides of the car
In turn the body has sagged opening up the door aperture to the upper section of the car but closing the gapping to the lower section
Some of the timber frame is also detached from its mounting / fixings points but to a great extent its in the way of of the initial repairs hence its better removed
Once the old fastenings have been renewed it will be fine to be reused
Boot lid is in the way of progress but its not that easily removed - eventually disconnected from the frame of the car though
Boot floor has been messed about with - the cut out was to accommodate the spare wheel which stood upright when mounted to the inner face of the bootlid - however the original & correct mounting point is the boot floor where you can see the outline - boot floor is only a thin ply sheet and will be getting replaced
Boot floor removed
Followed by the fuel tank
Which is generally in good order - it require a good clean out internally and treating with the outer faces just requiring a clean up and some paint
The timber frame that follows the rear chassis rail and supports the body frame now requires removal to allow access to the chassis which requires a few repairs
The body requires supporting first though - so a temporary frame was fabricated
Tacked to the chassis / screwed to the frame where required
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 12, 2022 20:09:19 GMT
With the temporary bracing & support in place the rear timber subframe for the body could be removed
The timbers are a little frayed on the ends but with new fastenings will all see further life with the car
I could now access the chassis rail on the rear nearside
The area where the the body mounting fastens to the chassis is very weak
Has is the area where the chassis joins the rear cross member / bumper iron & rear spring hanger which sits outboard of the chassis rail
Shock absorber sits on the inner face of the chassis rail directly facing the body mounting and requires removal to access the rail repairs
Like most rust effected areas its worse than it looks
I would always recommend protecting the immediate areas of a vehicle with a welding blanket if you are going to be welding & grinding - it only takes a few seconds of stray sparks to damage glass & trim - likewise to start a fire
Temporary bracing tacked into place to ensure the chassis remains rigid whilst the repair is undertaken
Note the temporary location tabs tacked onto the face of the chassis for redrilling the shock absorber mounting
Repair plate tacked in
Then fully welded
Dressed back & the shock absorber mounting hole redrilled
Then onto the rear repair - braced across the corner tacked in
And the chassis rail supported
Rear bumper iron also required a little support as this is fastened directly to the rear of the rail
Some dissection / rust removal later and a new top plate is ready for welding onto the spring hanger
Replacement on the end of the rail was undertaken in two halves
Utilising this method allowed access to weld the cross member to the new section whilst the upper section was open
Then replaced the top section and dressed the repairs back & rehung the spring to the hanger
Derusted the rail areas and applied Bilt Hamber's Hydrate 80
And I can now look at fabricating the body mounting for the subframe
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 15, 2022 9:28:54 GMT
New brackets fabricated for the timber subframe
Then trial fitted to determine the location of the chassis bracket that requires welding insitu
The subframe is packed off the rear mounting to the spring hanger with new spacers & fastenings
Chassis bracket welded
Construction primer applied to the areas of work on the chassis rail
Once dry the shock absorber could be refitted to the chassis with new bolts
Upper frame timbers for the wheelarch radius were strengthened with new fastenings
Not perfect but certainly capable of being reused and they are never seen once refitted
They will need to be removed / refitted a few times whilst the welded repairs to the rear quarter panel is undertaken
New bracket to tie the upper frame to the subframe - this originally was a single woodscrew
Still some work required to modify & tie into the D post but this will be done at the NEC show
New bracket fabricated to locate / strengthen the end of the timber sill bearer - originally the factory fitted a simple but very weak 'L' bracket here to tie the bearer back to the heal board
Main timber cross member fastened back to the subframe - there's 2 new minor timbers required to support the boot floor but these can wait until the offside repairs to the subframe / chassis rail are completed
So that's the chassis rail & subframe repairs 95% complete on the nearside
Boot lid refitted on a temporary basis just to make the car appear a little more complete - the temporary support structure will remain fitted to the car until the repairs to the offside are undertaken
With the wheel arch & wing now the focus of attention on the nearside
But just some idea of what I have to work with after having them lightly shotblasted
And the answer to that is 'Not a Lot'
Fortunately I have a decent wing in my used spares stash
Little job I wanted to get done before the car went to the show was degrease the rear axle / engine bay which I'll do this morning but scraped most of the crud off the rear axle first - right then I'd better crack on - I have a have a massive amount to sort / load / transport / unload / assemble before the show
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 29, 2022 20:08:20 GMT
So with the car at the Restoration Show (separate thread in 'The Paddock')
Quite a lot got done
They had the engine running by Saturday afternoon and it sounds sweet enough although it will have to be removed has the water jacket on the nearside cylinders has a crack in it - its probably repairable
Lots of assessments made - it needs new brake rods making up due to some very worn ends - new exhaust is on the cards too
Needs a new wiring harness too but that is in hand
I cracked on with the fabrication / welded repairs to the nearside inner wheelarch
With the show over it was loaded back onto the trailer and returned to my workshop to be progressed further
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 29, 2022 20:41:36 GMT
Now back in my workshop with the nearside doors removed from the B post
The screws that secure the top of the B post to the roof rail were rusted out / loose - The B post is timber frame which covered by a steel outer skin
Soon sorted
Door hinge pins & bearings were all worn and allowing the doors to sag
Replaced with new
And the doors refitted
I still have a problem with the nearside rear door though - Again part ash frame - part steel - the frame has lost its structural integrity - Rather than get involved with what would be great deal of work in repairing the frame - I think that I might just have a used door in store at the barn that is in better condition than this one
Some further timber reinforcing to to the side frame above the rear inner wheelarch
None of this is seen
This inner trim panel covers it
Repairs to inner rear wheelarch have been progressed
And are now completed
The wheelarch was then prepared & treated with Hydrate 80 where required
Then primed - seam sealer applied once it was cured
Then satin black to the inner face
The repaired / primed areas of the chassis rail on the nearside were also painted in satin black
Once cured the wheelarch panel could be refitted
This has braced the D post / rear timber work areas and tied the structure together nicely
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 30, 2022 21:01:13 GMT
With the inner wheelarch fitted I could now make a start on the rear quarter panel flange edges
Which are rusted out
Not has much as the tail section to the rear quarter though which departed some time ago - and that was previously repaired too - you can just make out the lead loading over the top of the panel seam where the metals are slightly different colours
Paint sanded back so I can see what I'm working with
First section in the making with the radius being stretched
And the effected area trimmed back - thankfully the timber framework does not butt up directly to the quarter panel so I should be ok with the welding providing its undertaken with care
First repair section fastened in - I have swaged / rebated the quarter panel to provide a lapped joint - this way the weld bead can sit into the rebate and requires minimal dressing back
The underside is screwed through the inner wheelarch panel and up into the timber frame
Next was trim the new (used) wing that someone had previously repaired - Its currently overwide
When working with these type of repairs its always a good idea to leave one side intact if you can - that way you have something to reference /measure from
Wing trimmed & trial fitted
The wing at a later stage will provide a profile terminus for me to work to when I undertake the repair / fabrication of the tail section
Looking like a decent fit - there is a piping bead that fits between the wing & the quarter panel once the panels are profiled & painted
First repair tacked in
Then the next 2 repair sections made up & trail fitted
Then tacked in
Wing removed and the panels fully welded in - I only weld the seam in short lengths at a time of approximately 20mm - I cool the weld immediately with the airline / blow gun - welding torch in my right hand / blow gun in the left hand - I also space the welds well apart - at least 150mm then just keep working on a cycle basis from one end to the other until the seams are complete
Then dressed back with a P80's flapdisc on the angle grinder
With the weld bead partly rebated it prevents over thinning of the bead / repair / original panel - I'll dress the profile straight in the morning - there's some minor distortion but not a lot - I shall be lead loading the repair areas prior to completing the profiles with polyester skimming filler - More tomorrow
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 31, 2022 19:45:33 GMT
Next was to sort the nearside rear door out - old one removed
And another one that I had over at the barn was collected & fitted
More secure and a better fit in places
But other places like the waistline not such a good fit
Essentially although the cars were built on a production line they were still largely hand built - No 2 cars are identical - things like miss-fitting doors were resolved as the cars were built either panels dressed back / eased / reprofiled with body solder - occasionally the entire panel may be swapped out for another to achieve a better fit / profile on the car - I'll see where I get to with this - the swage can be rectified prior to paint - That said we are aiming for the look of a 20 year old used vehicle with patina - to some extent a used panel of a different colour would have been a everyday sight back in the day
Although its a better door than the original it still required some insitu repairs
Reinforcing angle plate let into the front corner - rebated to ensure that it doesn't hold the door card off the frame
With door on I now had a radius profile to work from in order to form the forward section of the wheelarch
swaged & formed in 2 sections
With underside screwed in place and upper packed off the door to form the aperture clearance
The sections could be tacked together
Then removed to be fully welded - Again in small stiches of weld at a time and immediately cooled with the airline blow gun to mitigate heat distortion
Then carefully dressed back
And refitted after I had primed the rear of it - it looks the part but the acid test is does the wing fit the profile
So far - so good
I call that a decent fit then
More than happy with that
Now with the wing still fitted I can use it to template & pattern the repairs required to the tail of the rear quarter / shroud - more on that tomorrow
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 1, 2022 21:33:33 GMT
That rear piece that's been rust deleted then
Firstly the rear bumper / tow bar is in the way
So off it came - had to cut through the mounting studs for the bumper irons though as these were rust seized - I'll weld new studs on later when it comes to refitting the bumper
The bumper irons were just about all that was holding the rear valance on - it needs to be removed
With it removed I can access all of the repair on the tail of the nearside rear quarter panel
First I fabricated the outer edge down to the wing and tacked it in
This carries a flange return which I spot welded to the repair section - this will allow for the rear valance to be fastened as original - once the valance is repaired
I then extended the wing side profile downwards
Then used a light card (cereal box) to form a pattern
Transferred to steel sheet & cut slightly oversize with the repair panel part shaped
Whilst many will tell you that you need a English Wheel or the like to form compound curvature repair panels I advise that you don't listen to them - I use a simple block of wood and a beech shaping bat - a little practice is all it needs though you do require good eye to hand skills
Some minor trimming then tacked in
Fully welded & dressed back
Flange return welded to the bottom of it to maintain its strength
I used a piece of steel rod to extend the rolled edge profile - it requires truing up with the rest of it but it will be fine once profiled
Wing refitted to ensure it all aligns / fits
Very happy with the outcome of that
The sills will require replacement but haven't been available for decades
A fellow member recalls having a hand in restoring one of these some decades ago and stated that he thought at the time that they used a pair of Mk1 Ford Cortina sills upside down - so whilst at the restoration show we hunted down a Cortina - I took my profile gauge to cast the pattern then compared the profile to the Jowett - not far away at all - a little work and I'll make them fit - More tomorrow - even though I'm at a club committee meeting - I'm a few days progress ahead of the thread
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 2, 2022 19:38:18 GMT
Before addressing the profiles on the nearside rear quarter panel I removed the paint down to bare metal to the waistline swage
There's a few areas where the panel is distorted from the repair / welding process - the areas are forcing the panel profile outwards when what's required is for the panel to be profiled slightly inwards hence these areas require shrinking
Easiest way to do it with heat - identify the areas then apply heat to a cherry red - the panel will peak outwards as you undertake this process - quite alarming when you undertake it for the first time - You need to work quickly so with the torch safely put down you need to tap the area inwards with a panel hammer whilst a dolly or panel spoon is on the rear of the panel - has you work the panel & it cools the metal will shrink leaving a slight hollow to the panel rather than the outward dish that was there previously
Only attempt with a fine pencil flame through - use a large blow torch flame and you end up in all sorts of a pickle
Next is to lead load the repair areas - this is how it was done prior to advent of polyester body fillers - first you need to 'tin' the areas - this is done with a solder paste - to prevent it drying out I only apply it in areas of approx 100 x 100mm at a time
Its simply brushed on - I then apply the heat to half of the area until the dull grey turns a lighter silver colour then lightly wipe the surface with a damp cloth
Take care not to wipe the next area of wet / unheated solder paste off the panel - then just keep repeating the cycle
To apply the body solder you just require heat & the solder stick - but to shape it you will need a paddle & some tallow - the tallow is applied to the face of the paddle to prevent it from sticking to the hot face of the solder - different shaped paddles are available
Apply heat to the end of the solder stick held close to the panel - has the solder stick softens with the heat you need to wipe it on to the tinned area - it takes a little practice with vertical panels - Don't apply direct heat to the panel you will just add more distortion, don't apply too much heat to the stick or solder that you have on the panel either - it will just become fluid & run off to be wasted on the floor - Don't attempt to make the solder placed to the panel look completely smooth or beautiful either - You will never achieve it
With a light smear / oiling of tallow on the paddle you then apply heat to the solder on the panel and work it with the paddle to the rough shape required - you need to judge when it's soft enough to work - too much heat and it becomes fluid - press too hard with the paddle and you will push all the solder out of the area - I would liken it to plastering with hot metal - it cools & hardens very quickly - just a few seconds in fact - takes a little practice but its well worth doing and gives great results
Aperture gaps can be closed / trued up with this process too
To profile the solder back you need a body file - clean the tallow from the face of the solder with panel wipe prior to working it back with the file
And a little muscle / work out
Don't be tempted to dig the file in - just file across the solder surface with moderate pressure
The file can be used in all directions and will start to show the high / low areas as the panel is worked
You may well have to apply further solder to the low areas - it's easily done - you don't have to tin the soldered areas but its a good idea to remove the tallow from the face of the solder with panel wipe first
Don't throw the solder shavings in the bin - sweep them up and put them in a bag - providing they are not heavily contaminated the scrapman will pay you money for it next time you have a weigh in - Don't be tempted to reuse the shavings / melt them into fresh solder sticks - the solder will be contaminated with tallow & steel from the profiling process and wont give anything like decent results
Upper section now completed after a light buzz from the DA with P80's - Again don't be tempted to achieve filling minor defects or sanding them out - its nothing that a few thin skims of polyester filler wont rectify - only now you are using a few mm of filler instead of 10 / 15mm of it if the solder wasn't used
Extended down to the tail of the panel
And the door aperture now closed / trued up
Please don't hesitate if you have any questions on lead loading or need information on suppliers etc
My old mentor taught me how to lead load. However I haven't done it for years. I tried again last year on a job and struggled big time.. Thank you for sharing and if you can help on suppliers that would be great as I'd like to give it a go again..
My old mentor taught me how to lead load. However I haven't done it for years. I tried again last year on a job and struggled big time.. Thank you for sharing and if you can help on suppliers that would be great as I'd like to give it a go again..
Not a problem - The 2 suppliers that I use are listed in the links below
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 3, 2022 19:34:29 GMT
So now you understand the principle here's s few more tips & progress
The flux in the solder paste tends to separate when left for any period of time - even overnight - its a good idea to give it a good stir prior to use
Although I wouldn't recommend reusing the solder shavings there's nothing to stop you from reusing the ends of the solder stick by melting them into a mould - I use a piece of upturned steel equal angle
On vertical surfaces if you form a dam of solder around the edge of your work area this will aid the infill of the centre should any of the solder become too hot / fluid and start to run
The end of a reduced stick can get quite warm hence the grips - You are working with a quite a strong flux content in the solder paste which could lead to skin burns, lead content in the solder sticks (lead can be absorbed through the skin) and heat so a decent pair of gloves are recommended
More panel area progressed
You will need to clean the teeth on the file occasionally - the solder will simply push out with a screwdriver
And that's the lead loading to the panel completed - its a much more involved process than plastering the area with polyester filler but so much better than throwing a bucket full of filler at it
Chris - On the subject of lead loading, thank you for sharing this with us all. It's not for me, but I am very much aware that you can pay good money for this advice, which you willingly give us all for nothing. I am, as I'm sure we all are, as usual, very grateful.