Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 15, 2023 22:01:46 GMT
Modifications to fit the inner rear wheelarches in progress
Offside one fitted
The inner wheelarches were originally dry fitted - no sealer etc therefore water ingress harbouring between the timber floor and the steel inner wheelarch never made a lasting proposition - Where I can I always attempt to futureproof such areas - so a little seam sealer at this stage goes a long way
The nearside inner wheelarch being a copy of what was undertaken on the offside
Tube spacers made up to support the front wing / headlamp bracket
And the front nose of the van can now start to be built up
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 16, 2023 20:06:18 GMT
Bulkhead to radiator stay made up & fitted
Some of the fastenings have to be rebated / modified to clear other panels such as the bonnet sides
Other brackets cleaned up and fitted but I will have to look at lengthening the radiator hoses which are now fouling the diagonal brackets that support the wing & headlamp brackets
Quarter panels fitted to the radiator cowl
Then the nearside front wing was fitted
I'll fit the offside wing in the morning
Meanwhile I headed over to the shotblaster to drop the rear door skins off
Whilst out that way I called in at the barn to collect the last few pieces for the van that I had in storage - namely the seats
One of which I have stripped so Mrs GN could see what's involved in making up new covers for them
I'll strip the other one in morning and the frames can go to the blaster for de-rusting
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 17, 2023 22:27:58 GMT
Offside front wing fitted
Then removed to make some alignment corrections with the inner wing (sometimes you just have to get creative when you only have one pair of hands)
Bonnet fitted and further adjustments made with the radiator cowl
Side panels fitted to the bonnet which are retained by a piano hinge with a central rod
Now looking very different
But the bonnet fit is miles away from where it needs to be
Not too bad in some places
And can be trimmed back / squared up without too much issue
And its also resolvable on the nearside back edge against the bulkhead
But on the offside you could drive a bus between the bonnet and the bulkhead
Several measurements & checks confirm that both the bulkhead and radiator cowl are square and aligned to the chassis - The problem here is that the front panels including the bonnet are not original to the van - they have come off various other Bradford vans and assembled to this one - they were never a great fit in the first place but they need to be a whole lot better than what they currently are
The important alignment factor here is the horizontal swage - the shorter vertical gapping is far easier to rectify than the long horizonal alignment of the swage line - so some trickery will have to be applied to sort the bonnet & bulkhead gapping then
Meanwhile new reinforcing plates have been made up & primed for the rear door hinges
And I've been & collected the rear door skins from the shotblaster who has chased the rust out of the flange edges
Post by grumpynorthener on Mar 18, 2023 19:51:46 GMT
I need to get the rear door skins cleaned up as these are going on the stand at the forthcoming Restoration Show
I'd already removed the paint off the nearside one but still needed to get the offside back to bare metal - a quick soak with a suitable paint stripper
The a buzz over with the DA sander
The bottom section of the skin is being replaced on both doors
2 new repair sections folded up to replicate the original flange
Inner face of the skins along with the flange edges were treated with Hydrate 80
Centre panel that covers the timber crossmembers was made up
I already have the 2 rear quarter panels and the door for the spare wheel in stock that were supplied by Jowett Car Spares
The two rear pillar sections had been poorly primed previously and were showing signs of rust hence these have been cleaned back
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 20, 2023 19:54:25 GMT
Undertook some modifications to the new rear door frame to enable it to accommodate the larger rear windows that were fitted to the utility
Then primed any bare metal areas on the inner face of the repaired door skin
A few further frame modifications required in order to provide mounting points for the inner window frame surround
The commenced attaching the door skin to the frame
Originally the skins were pinned with nails to the frame but I've opted to countersink the skin flange and use screws to attach it
The skin will require some further reshaping along with some heat shrinking in a few areas to remove stretching / distortion but I'll hang the door to the hinges first before undertaking this
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 26, 2023 7:36:05 GMT
Offside rear door was trail fitted
Several adjustments made to ease the fit and achieve the correct gapped overlap onto the surrounding panels - This is much more difficult on a timber framed vehicle than you might first imagine
Repairs to the nearside rear door are virtually identical to that of the offside door
The bottom 100mm along with the flange edge that secures the skin to the frame were very weak
New bottom section let in
Followed by a repair section to the underside of the window aperture
Both repairs dressed back
I used swaged / rebated flanges to effect the repairs and to mitigate heat distortion from the welding process to a minimum
The ash door frame was then trimmed back / eased to suit the door skin
And the skin trail fitted to the frame
Door trail fitted to the van but requires many adjustments
Which requires the skin to be removed from the door frame and adjustments made
Internal edges to the skin now primed it can be refitted to the frame - more later
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 27, 2023 7:14:36 GMT
Quick tip for when working with timber frames (or any hardwood really) Use a candle to apply wax to the screw threads - The screw will drive much better with this method
Door rehung to the hinges
Then lots more adjustments to get the faces of both doors flush with each other at the centre
The centre gapping is overwide - packing the hinges opens the overlap on the rear pillars
Hence I have a more radical solution that I'll sort today - Overwide gapping's on Bradford van rear doors is very common - the vans were built strong but in a very agricultural manner - the gapping seen above is not much worse than it was when it left the factory new - However, Its not good enough to leave my workshop in this condition
Meanwhile I addressed the rear locks - On the nearside these are just a simple lock bolt
That fasten at the top
And bottom of the frame
The offside door is a more complex rod type mechanism - I had to make up some rod locating brackets for the top & bottom
The rods secure into the van frame and are operated by a simple quarter turn external door handle that retains a key barrel for locking - Still a fair bit to do on the rear doors yet - there's a central location catch to rebate into the door frames along with the 4 door alignment buffers, then the rear door stays - More later
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 28, 2023 6:49:21 GMT
The welding of a 4mm round bar to the edge of the offside rear door in order to close the gapping
When dressed back gave a much more acceptable 5mm gapping rather than the previous overwide 10mm +
The original door stays have been refitted
Pozidrive screws used initially to create the thread into the frames - Ill replace these for period slotted head screws when I finally assemble the van after paint
The central sprung loaded catch was rebated into the door frames
And checked for operation - its all tight currently but will ease with use
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 28, 2023 19:24:13 GMT
The rear door skins have now had Hydrate 80 applied to all of the original areas where very minor rust pitting was showing - rather than just leave dots of the treatment all over the door skin it was easier just treat the entire panels
Now on with the inner window frame covers - these rot out on the lower edges where water leaks in through the glazing rubbers
New sections welded in along with new corner pieces
Fiddly but they need to be done
There's 9 internal widow frames in total - Thankfully only 4 require repair - Having said that the two for the front doors are currently missing
Post by grumpynorthener on Apr 30, 2023 6:42:14 GMT
2 of the side frames for the sliding windows were fitted with new corner fillets
The seized window catches were freed off and will live to see another life with the van
The rear wings were worked to remove the acres of excess weld and were then made good with numerous pin holes that had been left by the previous repairer in the weld beads
Slowly building a small pile of completed panels & fittings
Followed by the nearside rear wing
Which was then trial fitted - there's a wing piping that fits between the wing & rear panel upon final fitment
I then trial fitted the offside rear wing - this needs to come back off and the bolt aperture holes elongated to allow the panel to rebate into the side panel further so that it matches the nearside
Post by grumpynorthener on May 3, 2023 7:35:47 GMT
Offside rear wing fastening apertures now adjusted
With the wing sitting further inboard to match the nearside rear wing
Next was the rear door buffers - 2 are fitted to the roof cross member and are of a U shape housing
With the rubber buffer mounting to the door frame - Cue lots of faff in aligning & trimming these in to fit - In this case I had reduce the height of both the rubber & the metal cap to allow door frame clearance
The rebates into the frame that had already previously been cut will have to be made good as were too deep
With the horizontal ones completed 2 further buffers were fitted to vertical faces of the rear door frames
Although they don't appear that important these buffers are fairly critical to ash framed vehicles especially vans with rear doors - Ash frames will have more movement within the frame than any steel body shell regardless of the the bodyshell being chassis mounted or of a unitary bodyshell construction - The buffers once mounted help with the ridigity of the frame and help in retaining movement within the frame when the doors are closed / locked - Needless to say that the buffers also assist in retaining the setting of the flush face of the panels against each other
A keep for the lower locking rod of the door was fabricated & fitted and I now have the rear doors locking / unlocking with ease
Rear doors complete - time to sort the fronts
In the main the catches cleaned up ok given what I started with
It took quite some time as the lock catches & keeps have to be rebated into the ash frames then adjusted to suit / correctly operate
Alignment against the side panels is pretty good but requires attention to the lower face where the door is sitting inwards of the aperture
Latch plus a sprung loaded locating catch are fitted to the B post
A buffer was fitted to the bottom of the door & B post which resolved the door fitting flush against the side panels
Aperture gapping narrows towards the bottom of the door which will be sorted when I undertake a few welded repairs to the door skin - More later
Post by grumpynorthener on May 8, 2023 8:24:55 GMT
The alloy half round panel beading and the J channel roof gutter have now arrived - Annoyingly I would previously order these from one supplier but as traditional coach / body building is now largely a thing of the past materials like this are harder to source - I now have to order from 2 separate suppliers at a much inflated cost to what they could be sourced for a few years ago
Trevor has sourced new door handles and these can now be trial fitted over the next few days
Post by grumpynorthener on Aug 30, 2023 6:48:58 GMT
I need to progress this further and finalise the panel fits along with the last remaining areas of welding & minor fabrication
First job was to fabricate & fit the wing stay & bracket to the rear of the offside front wing - I had already previously completed the nearside one
This in turn trues up the profile of the wing - I make them adjustable to allow for final alignment
Next was to make adjustments on the front quarter panels to allow them to align with the front wing
Soon sorted by slotting the panel with a slitting disc then closing up the difference before welding up & dressing back - the gap between the wing and the quarter panel will be addressed when I next remove the front wing
The nearside was a repeat process of the offside
Minor welding repairs to the base of the radiator cowl
Next was the panel fit & gapping of the offside front door - Now Bradford vans were obviously built as light commercial vehicles and to a reasonable standard but that standard was somewhat agricultural - whilst this will be no museum piece the door fit needs to be better than what they currently are
Fit at the top rear of the frame was fine
Bottom rear of the door is a different story with it standing out some 7mm of alignment with the rear panel - there is also something decidedly bodged about the bottom corner of the door skin
Front of the door and the gapping is all over the place - uneven in some areas
And its way too tight against the bulkhead between the door hinges
Sid called into carry out a progress inspection then went on door security duties for the afternoon
The front door edge was trimmed back then welded & dressed back to achieve an acceptable gapping
All of the van from the bulkhead backwards is ash framed including the doors
Firstly I made some adjustments by packing out the bottom of the B post which in turn reduced some of the difference between the alignment of the door & rear panel
Then packed the B post out permanently
Some adjustment on the door catch brought the alignment of the door much closer
I then removed the bottom corner of the door skin only to find a fibreglass bodge behind the skin
By locally reducing the ash frame of the door in the bottom corner where I removed the sectioned piece
Then letting in a newly fabricated section and dressing it back the required alignment with the rear panel was achieved - Thanks for looking - more later
Post by grumpynorthener on Sept 1, 2023 6:07:51 GMT
Swaged bead now fixed to the offside bulkhead in the correct alignment for the door to the bonnet
Nearside front door then - lower section front aperture gapping isn't too bad and will go as it is
But the upper frame gapping against the windscreen pillar is too tight
Upper rear aperture gapping is ok
But the lower gapping is too tight - Now applying theory if you packed the top hinge off the A post it would open both the aperture gapping's at the front top & bottom rear of the door - But at the risk of closing the gapping at the top rear and run the risk of the upper door frame fouling against the B post - More critically it would lower the fixed raised half round profile at waist height on the door to the point that it runs at an angle - Hence we wont be packing the hinge
Instead I reduced the door skin width with the angle grinder - in turn this splits the lapped flange bead between the door frame & door skin - this then requires welding back together & dressing back
Tacked in / trail gapped
Then fully welded / dressed back
Same exercise with the rear lower gapping
Front bottom corner of the door looked slightly thin & bodgey
More of the fibreglass rear bodge from the previous owners attempts
Now sectioned with a fresh steel repair let in
That's the nearside front door to an acceptable fit
Now on with the bulkhead repair & misaligned swaged profile bead
Repair area removed and new section trial fitted - a few minor adjustments this morning and it can be welded in
Post by grumpynorthener on Sept 2, 2023 5:34:03 GMT
Swage deletion & bulkhead repair completed with just the alloy half round profile bead to fit once the primer has cured
The last panel to address from a poor fitting / gapping prospect is the bonnet
I don't think that I have ever seen one this bad
Its literally all over the place has far as fitting goes
With gapping's either too wide or the bonnet panels overlapping on the adjacent panels
They were never a brilliant fit but this is somewhat stretching the imagination
The bulkhead & radiator cowl were checked for alignment / true first and these are set up correctly
So its just the bonnet that requires some manipulation
I started by reducing the overlapping nearside front edges to gain the gapping with the radiator cowl
This in turn allowed the rear nearside edge to move forward - a little trimming was required to just open the gapping up slightly
Attention turned to the top nearside bonnet panel on the rear edge - this required closing up - With the panel being thin steel I couldn't achieve this with a welded bead
I opted to spot weld / tack in an extension piece on the underside of the bonnet
It closed the gapping but also added strength to the quite flimsy upper bonnet panel
The gap is still too wide for my liking but I have a trick
Normally there is a webbing between the bulkhead and the underside of the bonnet panels - said webbing is to protect the painted surfaces and prevent the panels rattling against each other - I don't really like the webbing idea - its tends to soak up and hold water which goes on to create problems at a later date - On some cars with a 4 panel bonnet design they fitted a bulkhead rubber which is a much better idea - it also prevents paint chipping on the flange edge of the bulkhead
Its purpose made for the job and although not original to the van it resolves the issue of the overlarge gapping / poor fitting bonnet whilst protecting the paintwork
I'm now on with progressing the offside bonnet panels - more soon
Looking good. Getting the panel gaps right makes a big difference as I found out on the 304. (In my case nearly right or at least better than they were)