Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 19, 2020 21:51:46 GMT
Offside floorpan & inner sill is not too much better than the nearside
Forward section of the offside floorpan has been replaced - looks like 'Lil' Fairydust' undertook the repair ! (its appalling)
Sikaflex central - instant magic metal welding system in a tube !!!!
No better - this is just under the cross member
Another 'Lil Fairydust' repair
Dashboard & windscreen protected with a welding blanket
If you've not done this type of work before you can ruin any glazing in a vehicle with weld or grinding spatter - you can also set fire to a car very quickly if you don't remove all the trim / carpets etc prior to undertaking any welding works
Further to the above you can make sill replacement something of a nightmare if you go chopping structural sections of a vehicle out without bracing the bodyshell first - it doesn't take long to knock a bracing frame up and bolt it in
Few bolts - some quick brackets and a length of equal angle is all it takes
I like to do the bracing so that it still allows the doors to be hung & open / close etc to set the sill aperture gapping
At this stage I had spoken the client to advise on what I had found and the options for the car - he's owned it for a long time hence wants to retain it and I advised accordingly upon the repair - I could faff and make up repair sections but the floorpans are generally thin / weak - it would be awkard to work the inner sills / and strengthening plates to a usable point (but not impossible) none the less I cant access the rust ingress hidden in the sandwich between the inner sill & strengthening plate - so inner sills, strengthening plates & floorpans are all on order both sides - there's some minor areas that I will make up new repair sections for - the car is sat on a decent chassis and the drive train is good - its worth sorting / saving the car without going to the extent / expense of a full restoration - I'll tidy some of the worst areas of paint up and the car can be returned to road use - the clients younger family are showing interest in the car too - onwards to turn it into something usable then
Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 20, 2020 6:20:36 GMT
I always note / check / photograph aperture gapping before removing panels for replacement
There not that good on the Spitfire at the best of times - this ones upholds the tradition
Alignment is way out - I shall be improving what I can but without making alterations to every panel which in turn would require repainting the complete car it would be difficult
I like to note to the surrounding panels what the aperture gapping is before panel removal - might not be visible in the pics but I have marked the measurements to the surrounding panels
Gapping is all over the place - there's not a single panel that's consistent
Slitting disc is the easy way to remove the bulk of the panel - the bottom flange of the sill was completely detached for 98% of its length - just a weak tack barely holding it insitu
Some structural weakness to the bottom of the bulkhead return panel (forward of the inner sill)
The construction is of a inner sill / strengthening plate / outer sill - I have no access to remove the rust ingress sandwiched between the inner sill & strengthening plate - if I just refit a new outer sill over the top of this I'm just disguising / masking the problems of structural weakness in the car
Ah the lesser spotted sealer repair - that will hold the seat belt anchorage point in place when it comes under load then NOT !
Along with some paper reinforcement - words fail me
Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 20, 2020 6:48:32 GMT
Wiring harness runs to the rear of the car across the nearside floor pan and will require removal
Then through the inner sill (which is getting replaced) - so I disconnected the harness to everything on the rear of the car and threaded it back through towards the front
Now safely out of the way from getting damaged
I want to remove the fuel tank - there's little fuel in it and what is in there will be stale beyond any use
Removed - more critically I want to inspect the tank for rust ingress - something that always happens when cars are stored for long periods - condensation occurs within the tank - then rust develops which ends up down the fuel lines and leads to fuel starvation / blocking carburetor jets and generally being the cause of most fuel problems in recommissioned vehicles
In general I also like to remove the fuel tank from vehicles that I'm undertaking major welding works upon - its far safer
Tank removed - contents drained - very little rust or loose debris in the tank - a few tips with fuel tanks though whilst we are on the subject if you have a tank with internal debris / rust ingress you can remove a lot of it with a few handfuls of a small angular type gravel placed into the tank then the tank shaken to agitate the gravel against the debris / rust which in turn removes it - its awkward but it works - I have even strapped a fuel tank to the front of a cement mixer drum before today and left it running with the gravel in it - looks like new after a few hours but obviously needs a good washout afterwards. I would always recommend removing the fuel tank to safe storage outside if at all possible - leaving it in the workshop whilst welding & grinding is nothing but asking for a problem wholesale - and to a great degree a empty fuel tank full of fuel vapour is of a greater danger than a tank filled with fuel
Well that escalated quickly... but it is an old Triumph.
It will soon get de-escalated - everything is available and on order its nowhere near the complex builds of the Jupiter's / Javelin's that I'm used to - it wont be in the workshop for long
Thanks for the link - Looking forward to having her back on the road. Had the car since 1998. I think the last time I had the car on the road was 12 years ago. The car is the same age as me and although not running it's still in better condition than me!!
I didn't do any work on the car myself but it seems the repairs have been done with the same level of knowledge...zero. Gald it's in good hands and the posts are great - thx
Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 20, 2020 19:51:43 GMT
Initial chopping out of the inner sill & floor pan on the offside
Then the nearside
Zero structural strength in any of this
Hmmm
Its a good job that no one held any designs on running into the side of this with even a wheelbarrow let alone a car
Most of the nearside gone - I will leave the final trimming up until the new floor pans arrive
I have removed the the radius arm from the heel board to allow better access (needed to come off anyway because its having new bushes fitted)
Front nearside bulkhead return panel will require some welded repairs - its only a smallish panel but Rimmers wanted £90 for a replacement - I can repair it for half of that
It will also require some strengthening where it abuts / joins the A post on the internal face
More MPH with over 5 kilos of loose rust / debris removed
Managed to get the offside dressed back with a flap disc
Again I'll trim the edge of the floor pan in once the new panels arrive
Some minor repairs will be required on the offside inner wheel tub
Nearside lower valance corner removed - I have a new one on order to replace the rust infected original - more tomorrow
Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 21, 2020 20:53:38 GMT
Todays progress then
Clean back & dress all the flange / repair areas on the nearside
First fabricated / welded repair goes to the inner A post panel on the nearside
Next one is where the top of sill abuts the bulkhead - this had all be covered up with filler from a previous sill fitment
Completed / dressed back
Then the bottom of the same panel which is quite frilly
Both the floorpan & outer sill attach to this
Gearbox tunnel removed - this bolts on - the front section of the floorpans forms the support for the tunnel
I need to remove the floor cross member next in order to fit the floor pan (job for tomorrow)
Works by others had seen the floor areas sprayed with a stone chip covering to mask repairs & weakness of the floors themselves - its awful stuff to clean off - it just clogs flapwheels up instantly - easiest way is a hot air gun and a old but sharp wood chisel to scrape it back
Tunnel flange edge just runs loose - its not attached to anything
But I'll need to trim the front edge in - I cant access all the way to the front flange due the the chassis outrigger on the underside
Floorpans & inner sills have arrived but I'm still awaiting the outer sills plus lots of drive train / service components which hopefully will be here tomorrow
This is absolutely fascinating. I am spellbound.. seriously. This is everything that I needed to know, sadly, 30 years to late... but still fascinating to see how it should have been done.
Post by grumpynorthener on Oct 23, 2020 20:30:35 GMT
Rest of the parts have now been delivered
Floorpan cross member removed which bolts through the floorpan to the chassis outrigger
Both the fuel line and front to back brake pipe run parallel to the area that I will be welding the floor pan - so better to remove them - fuel line came off ok but the brake pipe had been bodged - rather than replace it front to back someone had joined it about a quarter the way into its length
I had barely looked at the remaining section let alone touched it and it fractured - virtually paper thin
Trimmed the flange edges back and cleaned them up
And now I can access the front outrigger and straighten the base of it up