Post by grumpynorthener on Nov 21, 2020 9:11:56 GMT
Wow - the stuff that is about for getting the power out of a block in todays market - 30 odd years ago I was part of race team with this - short 400 yard ovals of shale / tarmac - fully locked diffs & contact allowed (in the main to clear your path to the front of the grid)
With a big block Chev
We were limited in those days to what was available tuning wise - Brodix were starting to become available but at an horrific cost in the UK - we eventually put a roller rocker cam set up in it and that made quite a bit of difference - we had a huge amount of fun with it none the less
What did you use for a front axle? Transit? Or something else?
Leyland LD van narrowed, Leyland LD rear axle too but converted to discs (all discs were made floating so if you took a hit on a wheel it didn't bind up with the caliper) - gearbox was a Bedford TK (rolling starts then locked into 3rd) steering box was Ford A series van but used upside down - self built chassis / roll cage etc - the sport has moved on immensely since - now on very large Chev engines but quick change gearboxes, independent suspension , power steering & race tyres - but as you well know it's not all about the huge engine - its about building a car that's capable of taking the power from the flywheel and planting the traction to the ground that its sat upon
Here's us out at Lelystad in the Netherlands back in the early 80's
What did you use for a front axle? Transit? Or something else?
Leyland LD van narrowed, Leyland LD rear axle too but converted to discs (all discs were made floating so if you took a hit on a wheel it didn't bind up with the caliper) - gearbox was a Bedford TK (rolling starts then locked into 3rd) steering box was Ford A series van but used upside down - self built chassis / roll cage etc - the sport has moved on immensely since - now on very large Chev engines but quick change gearboxes, independent suspension , power steering & race tyres - but as you well know it's not all about the huge engine - its about building a car that's capable of taking the power from the flywheel and planting the traction to the ground that its sat upon
Here's us out at Lelystad in the Netherlands back in the early 80's
Very cool...
We used to rent the Lelystad track with our racing group, for a weekend of BBQ's booze and racing...
On the gearbox part, I had started to doubt myself.
I thought it would be pretty much bomb proof behind a Small Block, so at this point I brought it to a specialist for its rebuilds.
I later found out that it isn't rated for that much torque at all, and the reliability problems shouldn't have been a surprise...
But the Donovan was a even bigger problem.
The engine builder agreed he'd made mistake by sending me back out ( we should have pulled the engine there and then ), and was willing to cut me a bit of a deal on the next rebuild.
After we took it apart, we were no closer to identifying the cause of it though.
He figured it must have been the conversion to Wet Sump.
I was able to get a nice used Nascar setup, 3 stage Weaver pump ( which we converted to 4 stage ), 3 Gal tank, etc.
I had to redesign the front engine mount to use it, which I did around a Ebay find Hendrick front engine plate.
One of the things I noticed with the DCNF intake on the big engine was that the transition from Off Throttle to On Throttle wasn't smooth.
It had too much of a On/Off characteristic, which meant you couldn't get close enough to the limit ( of traction ) coming out of the corners.
So I spent some extra time on the 48IDA linkage ( the one it came with was horrible ).
Most of it is pretty standard stuff ( just really carefully done & fully adjustable to get the carb synch right ).
But the main difference is that I made it progressive.
The first half of the butterflies opening takes about 75 to 80% of the pedal travel, the other half with the remaining travel ( this made a huge difference in the controlabillity of the car.. )
Its starting to look like a pretty serious piece...
The 2 cars are just one extreme to the other! must be completely different driving style needed between them?
Yes, very different.
But really fun in their own way.
The Fiat is a momentum car.
Everything is about getting a good corner exit speed, because power to weight is low.
But brakes and handling are really good.
So you can get much deeper into the corner and brake much later.
With the Fiat you are either full on the brakes, or full on the throttle.
Nothing inbetween.
I grew up with that car, did most of my racing with it in the Netherlands.
And off and on, I've been working on improving it for some 30-35 years...
The Capri doesn't have as good as a turn in ( I'm still trying to improve that ), brakes are good but you can feel its a much heavier car, and a careful toe on the throttle will make the back end step out.
Top speed is really good ( I drove around a guy in a Viper Roadster on the main straight of the long track once...)
Another big difference are things like steering and shifting.
The Fiat is really direct, short throw, etc., so the controls are heavy.
But nothing like the Capri's...
That Super T10 is horrible. Its slow shifting, heavy ( and gets heavier when trying to shift fast), and at the same time sloppy and vague .
If this is the 4 speed people were used to, I'm starting to understand why they chose automatics instead...
There is no point have a "Who's got the best looking engine" thread - because you've already won that hands down.
Haha...
Thanks.
Its a really amazing engine.
That amount of torque with a very flat toque curve in a relatively light car is something I'd never driven before.
Some time in the ( hopefully near ) future, I'll get on it again to try and figure out what's going on with it.
There are only a couple of possibilities.
The oiling system ( I know that isn't it, it works fine on its replacement. More about that later ), the crank , or the block itself ( engine builders I trust seem to go for either on the last 2 ).
For now, its on a engine stand wrapped in plastic to keep the dust out...