Not so sure about that - I haven't even looked at the other side yet. There's probably the same to do there, and once that's done it'll finally be strong enough to go on the rotisserie to look at the rest. Might be ready with the other one, though.
Trying to get the spare wheel well done. I almost gave up and made this out of several parts as I did on the previous hatch, but I cracked on a bit and after some twisting and hammering it seems to join all sides now.
Still a bit of trimming to do so that the rear valance will fit, but it's better than the spare wheel well I removed from it.
Stuck the spare wheel well in on Friday. A bit of fiddling and trying to remember to put some kind of paint onto the sections that aren't accessible once it's in delayed things a bit, but it's roughly the correct shape and very difficult to photograph. I haven't drilled the drain hole yet, I'll do that when the car is on four wheels to make sure it's at the bottom - I don't think hole on my genuine panel is in the right place.
I decided to swap places with the Audi and the hatch this weekend. I haven't touched the Audi since the hatch arrived, despite intending to switch between both cars, so by moving that out of the way and admitting it wasn't getting any work, I could also put a load of stuff inside it and free up a bit of space in the shed. Once I did that (which took longer than I hoped as the Audi has very heavy steering due to it usually being power-assisted, and the hatch has a broken steering coupling) I could have a look at the nearside in more detail.
One of the issues is this lovely section where the inner wing joins the side panel:
Three or four poorly-shaped patches applied over rusty steel, which has all been left in place. And a bonnet hinge repair panel with a big overlap so that stuff can be going on behind it. Other than that it's pretty similar to the offside, except that it's had a sill fitted. But there's a lot of filler over it, so it's really got to come off so I can see why, and how/whether they've fixed the inner sill. Not a horror story, though.
Post by grumpynorthener on May 10, 2021 8:50:39 GMT
All the Viva range used to rot out at this point and I recall the poorly fitting inner wing hinge repair panels being available to the market - many Viva's failed their MOT with rot in this area too and MIG welding hadn't really caught on - hence most were repaired with gas welding compete with distortion The outer wings weren't removed to undertake the repair either, owners were just interested in getting their cars through the MOT in those days (and has cheaply as possible in most cases)
Here's a section where the replacement/cover sill joins the rear quarter panel, with another scabby bit of steel welded quite a way behind the two panels and filled over with almost 15mm thickness of filler.
And towards the back end of the sill, for some reason it's had a big section cut out and loosely patched, with a load more filler over it. I wonder what's behind that.
It strikes me that maybe they put the outer sill on, but hadn't noticed a problem with the backing sill. The backing sill feels OK, but the sill has to come off anyway so I'll know more at that point. Doing the bit where the inner wing joins the side panel first.
I decided the easiest way to deal with the patch-on-patch situation where the nearside inner wing joins the bulkhead was to do this:
I've started repairing the top of the bulkhead, the side panel and the top flat piece
The welds still need a bit more grinding down, but they don't need to be invisible below the inner wing as it will be stonechipped there. Some of the weld above the inner wing is covered by the panel that joins it to the bulkhead. Can't really see them in this photo so it's hard to tell what I'm on about.
Chassis leg is good until you get down to the lower subframe mounting where, surprise surprise, it's been badly repaired. Lots of the trouble was indeed around the hinge reinforcement plate, and the badly-fitted repair panel that had massive overlaps for stuff to grow inside.
If it wasnt for that stupid hinge reinforcement plate the wings wouldnt rot out half as bad, the back of the wing and chassis leg look good though!
Seems that the other issue is the car is painted with the bonnet hinges on, so between the hinge and the inner wing is only primer. While I'm stripping the section of the used inner wing there's a bit of rust behind the hinges that needs to be dealt with, and there's no white paint there.
It's looking a bit better now, with the section from the old spare inner wing welded in. I've still got a bit of grinding to do on the welds, but not much. I've spent most of this afternoon grinding welds down, a job I really dislike.
The next thing is the filler piece that joins the inner wing to the bulkhead, and I'll do the bulkhead plug welds from inside the car so they're easier to grind down, and don't need to be quite so ground back as they'll be hidden away.
Post by grumpynorthener on Jul 15, 2021 12:46:58 GMT
Always hated doing this panel on the Vauxhalls - many of which failed the MOT on the rotten inner wings - some so bad that the bonnet hinge had detached itself from the inner wing too - owners weren't interested in anything other than a cheap fix that secured a fresh MOT ticket on the car - repair panels were available for the areas concerned back in the late 70's / early 80's when the cars were still popular although the fit of the repair panels was somewhat dire
I think the biggest trouble with these repair panels is that they're designed to fit over / inside / around the rusty bit, so they don't have quite the same curves as the original panel. But you're quite right, they're designed to do a quick MOT job and nothing more. If they were easier to find, I'd just stick a new inner wing on it, but they're not.
Joining piece between the inner wing and bulkhead is on now. I haven't done much on it over the last few days as I've been helping a mate clear the jungle at the top end of his yard in return for some rusty racking that was in a shed there. So now I have another project - trying to clean up some old racking so I can put stuff on it and hopefully tidy things up a bit.
This is the top half of the passenger side rear quarter, which sadly isn't quite the same on the saloon rear quarter that I just bought to fix the bottom half of this panel. But, I think there are two big dents that the previous chaps haven't even tried to push out, just filled them. I'm hoping I can get most of this out, though I expect it will still need some filler.
Question for those with more knowledge - to tap this dent out, is it just a case of hitting the centre of it from behind? Should I try this before I remove the wheelarch while the bottom half of the panel is held in place? Access to the rear isn't great - I can get my hand in there, but there isn't the depth to swing a hammer.
Post by grumpynorthener on Aug 13, 2021 20:33:40 GMT
You are going to struggle to get that from the rear of the panel - You may well be better to lightly weld tack a few pulling pins / nails to the face of the damage in the deepest section then ideally drawing it out on a slide hammer principle - you need to take care that you don't over pull it and end up with convex panel damage rather than concave - I'd give it a go before you cut the arch off otherwise you will find the panel difficult to pull against has it will have lost its retained tension that it has whilst fixed on all sides
I'm a bit concerned that it's already stretched when it was dented, but that's a good idea, I'll weld something to it and see what I can do. If I can just get a bit less filler on, that will be a good thing.